something of yourself and you got to be a big brother, uh, a leader to, to do that. I mean I think he's a nice fellow and all that.

MN: We've talked about, I mean. Yeah. GN: Yeah, he's a good guy but. MN: Is he big?

GN: No, Gary was a nice guy. MN: He doesn't.

GN: They don't have the skill.

MN:

He doesn't gain the respect of people.

GN: No.

JG:   No.

GN: I would believe that. MN: I don't either.

GN: But we're, but this is where you are today, um.

MN: You're looking (i/a) at Bordentown Township you just lost the election there.

GN: Well.

MN: You have people, you have two local fucking guys fighting. GN: Right.

MN: Hand and knee.

GN: Yeah, but what did the township want? I mean the Democrats had been eroding the Republican base throughout the country over the past six to eight-years.

MN: It is so winnable.

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