have to have ace, somebody that (i/a) I know who has a term to 2002.. You need a strong leader that isn't a John Harrington, has no ties with John, no ties with Ted or Lou, somebody brand new to bring everybody together.

MN: Someone steps in like you did and said okay let's cut the shit out of here. Get rid of some dead wood, I mean and do something. Because there's so much hatred now between these people.

GN: If you in the 40's were part of this, does this isolate everybody else in and keep the, you just got really a small opposition group left.

JG:   Yeah, I would say that is accurate. GN: There's Apsolan and Lee right.

JG:   And George is really not a player anymore. George Lee is really. GN: He's anxious to get people.

JG:   He has, he can't even.

GN: Come on.

JG: He can't really even control things that go on in Cinnaminson to -a great extent anymore. His wife is very nearly you close with you know. It's uh, he's not nearly as strong as he used to be and he will be involved -I guess as long as he's able um.

GN: How about we created some co-chairs up there to try to start the process. I, I don't want to control Burlington County. I like to tell you the truth, the less I have to do with politics the better.

JG:   I'm sure.

GN: I would love to leave politics, but as I say to my wife,. I have to leave the state. I wanna go.

JG:   Can't get away from it.

GN: You know cause I like coming in. You know it's sorta like you're here, you're gonna do it.

MN: You enjoy it.

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