JG: Lavon.
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GN: Is that her name? Laverne, Lavon. JG: Lavon yeah.
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GN: I don't know her (i/a). JG: She's a mess.
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GN: You know basically what happens in that district is whenever there's a, well you can see what happens in a primary fight. You know the only way that we can be beaten in a primary is if Burlington County is entirely united against Pennsauken. That's the only way they can win a primary. If there happens to be what we did tow facets plus Pennsauken, they lose.
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JG: Right.
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GN: So you know I don't give a shit who runs for these offices, I could care less. You know Jack Connors is a nice man. I'm gonna (i/a) cause he ran and he won. Jack, they, I didn't give them a dime and here they run. They call me on the phone, I go (i/a) so they win and boom. Herb, I gotta tell ya, Herb is a guy you got to keep your eye on at all times.
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MN: Who is he?
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GN: During the course of the caucus, I mean he was so petrified of pissing Joe D' Oria finally one day I sat him down and put all his (i/a) and said Herb, don't fuck with me on this one. You know, don't tell D' Oria don't make nice with Joe D'Oria cause you don't want him pissed at you. Cause I'll tell you if you ever do that and I catch you one more time doing it, you're gonna get your fucking balls cut off. He got the message.
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MN: Is D' Oria back in he fold or no?
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GN: No. D'Oria is so furious and so is Dick Coby. They're furious at the deal that we cut with McGreevey because they viewed it as we got the world and they got fucked. And the reality is they did. Tough luck, but oh.
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| MN: We were just in the middle of trying to get some work from D'Oria. GN: What town does Herb live in?
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