GN: It's the first big cave you've had. Well, you didn't warn Camden County government.

MN: But I mean, this is our first main engineer position in Camden County.

GN: (i/a)

MN: They have their own internal engineer. We do consulting, but this is a big thing and I will be there. I can't complain guys, we're doing alright.

GN: Skip called me yesterday. He said his guys thought they could, they were gonna be named engineer of record and Skip said to me, I thought you told me that we were gonna get a second position (i/a) smoking dope. Well, actually what happened was the review process, somebody tell you this? The review process they wanted to name Schoor-DePalma based on the interviews.

MN: The review process, you mean the interviews.

GN: Yeah, they wanted to name them as the engineer of record, which you. MN: (i/a)

GN: And get (i/a)

MN: Yeah.

GN: And he said so what about the interview process (i/a).

MN: Well, then they told us yesterday (i/a) actually trying to put you on the Planning Board, the bigger deal, so we're gonna try to get you on the Planning Board.

GN: What happened was (i/a) they had me (i/a) they wanted to put SchoorDePalma in because you really have three people. there that are sort of not politics, you know they're sort of, I remember when you first got on council whatever you were a do gooder.

JG:   Yeah.

GN: You know.

JG: Remember those days.

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